[Applause]
Hey, come join me. How are you doing?
I'm doing really, really well. You doing
good? Yeah. Are you going to get through
this? Okay. Absolutely. Let's do it.
Do you realize no one gave me questions?
They're all right here. Oh, good. Hang
on. Let me shuffle them. Okay. Can I use
the one that Christy came up with? We
came up with about 35 this afternoon.
I've already circled the ones that I
want answered. Oh, okay. They're the
ones with the black boxes around them.
So, do the ones with the black boxes?
Yep. And then, uh, any out of these.
Okay. How about Oh, can everybody hear
me? Hello. Hi. Okay. Tell me again. Uh,
all of these and then the black boxes.
So, do these first. Let's do these first
in case I can't read these. Sure. Okay.
These What? What are the these the Just
ignore the stars. Ignore those. Damn.
Uh, hello everybody. Can you hear me?
Hello, Jess.
Um, thank you guys for being here. I'm
really sorry I'm late. I actually had to
eat. So, uh, I probably set a new world
record on how quickly to down a New York
strip. Um, anyway, thank you for waiting
and it's great to have everybody here
tonight. So, thank you.
Uh before we get started, there actually
is some people I'd really like to thank
for everything that they've
done for this event. And of course, I
have so many notes. Sorry, I've been
running around. I had no kind of repair.
I actually wanted to ah here it is. Uh
first off, I did want to thank KPro and
Kalazars for everything that they've
done.
really couldn't have put it off without
you guys. Thank you. I'm really bummed
that Mike couldn't be here. Also, I hope
he's doing good. Uh Cynthia, thank you
for being up here for helping MCC this
uh Emma and Jam with Treasure Hunt with
us. Thank you guys for live streaming
and all the support this week. Thank
you.
Uh Rebecca at the Chamber of Commerce.
Thank you for uh shutting down the
street and making things happen.
I'd also like to thank Daniel and the
film crew for everything they've been
doing throughout the week.
Huge help.
I The guys are everywhere all the time.
I don't I don't know how they do it. Uh
and of course all of you guys. Um this
is really what it's about. So,
thank you for you.
And last but not least, I really did
want to thank Debbie at the bookstore. I
think she did a phenomenal job.
So, I I know the real reason here all
these questions. Uh there were a lot and
I did almost I almost had enough time to
get through all of them, but not quite.
So, I haven't had any time to prepare.
You'll have to probably give me a slight
amount of grace here because I could
totally screw up these answers, but I'm
going to try my best. Uh, so Cynthia's
going to be reading them. Uh, and from
my perspective, actually, to make this
fair, hold on. Hold on. Sorry. What do
you say? To Oh, test test.
To make sure this is fair, I'm just
going to shuffle them right now. So, we
uh I don't know if we'll get through all
of these, but we're going to do our
best. Get the one closer to you. Okay.
Yeah.
But Justin, I can start with you or do
you want me to start? Uh, surprise me.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Maybe we'll Maybe we
can.
Can I talk while you're doing that?
Do whatever you like.
Okay. I just want everyone to know that
um I don't know a week or whatever ago,
Justin asked me if I would be the one to
ask him a question for the Q&A.
Okay, we got one working. Okay, so let
me talk into your mic. Why don't we do
that? Thank you. Okay.
Okay. So, while they're fixing the the
microphone. Okay. Can you all hear me
now? Okay. So, so what I was starting to
say before was a couple weeks ago,
Justin asked me if I would ask the
questions for the Q&A. And I said, "Are
you crazy? Because you never know what
I'm going to say." And he assured me
that he was good with it. So, it's like
I am honored to be the one to ask the
questions. But what Justin doesn't know
is for every question that he says he
won't answer, I'm going to hit him with
a shot of bear spray, which I have,
which I have. And
And
I'm going to start in the center of his
body like I did myself. And then we will
work from there.
G. Thanks.
You're hiding here.
All right. I think we're going to start
with the questions. I actually did want
to
You're stressing me out here.
Uh I actually did want to say a lot
more, but I know we're a little pressed
for time now. Uh things kind of got a
little behind schedule today. So, thanks
for being patient. I really appreciate
it. Uh but we'll we'll fire off some
questions here and see where we land. Do
you want to start with some of the
questions or would you like me to read
them? Sure. Okay. We'll
we'll we'll see if this works. Okay.
Okay. Don't be looking.
Okay. Forest Finn's first clue was WW.
Can you tell us what is your first clue
in your poem?
Yes. Okay. Uh, but I want to make sure I
get it right. So, I want to look at my
own poem to make sure. Can I take a look
at it? Is there somebody has a book
handy by chance? Hey,
okay. Yeah, I want to make sure I answer
this correctly. Um,
I think the most
actionable
first clue in the poem
that gives you
sufficient context
would be
as hope surges clear and bright.
[Applause]
Okay, question number two. This is what
most of us want to know.
Has anyone reached the checkpoint?
To my uncertain knowledge,
no.
I'll also say that as far as I know
surprisingly actually uh I have not
heard anyone mention the correct answer
to the cipher yet. Uh
and I think I mentioned there is one
other arguably technical thing that is
involved in in solving this. Uh it's not
like a core part of the poem but it's
something that I think people would find
interesting.
Uh, and only one person in the world has
solved it so far. And they've been very
quiet about it. I don't think I've seen
it. Actually, no. I did see it one time
on one social media venue, which was
actually kind of funny because everyone
blew right past him and didn't give him
the time of day and no one noticed that
he had figured it out. So, that was
pretty interesting. Wow, good answer.
Nice. Wow.
Okay, next. Are you at last halfway
through the poem clues when you reach
the checkpoint?
Let me read that. Okay, this one number
nine.
Are you at least halfway through
the poem?
Yes, I think so. Yep, that's fair to
say. Good answer.
Uh, the question was, are you at least
halfway through the poem clues when you
reach the checkpoint?
Did not
read the squares or don't read the
squares. No stars. No. Oh, I thought I
was supposed to read the squares. The
squares. Yeah, you can read them or can
squares. Yes. Stars. No squares. Yes,
that's what we're doing. Okay, perfect.
We're good.
Okay, now we know the rules.
It's a good thing so you don't get bear
sprrayed. Okay. Are there any clues or
hints in the songs in your treasure
hunt?
Are there any clues or hints in the
songs in your treasure hunt?
Yes. Whoa. Wow.
Good answer.
Good.
Okay. Next. Is there a hint in the
statement you traveled over 9,000 miles
in two trips?
Do you want to read the words? Yeah, let
me rere.
Is there a hint in the statement you
traveled over 9,000 miles in two trips?
The purpose of the 9 mile or over 9,000
milei statement was
to convey that I traveled a great
distance
throughout the Rockies and the American
West as part of hiding the treasure.
And
there is no it's really not meant to
read in anything more than that. It's
basically meant to say that I traveled a
great distance and somewhere along my
route I hid the treasure. I could have
been at the near the beginning of the
route, in the middle, in the end,
somewhere along the path.
Good one.
Okay, this is especially important for
someone like for me like of my stature.
For anyone who would struggle with
carrying 60 pounds in one trip, can you
give us any advice on how to retrieve
the treasure container in its contents
successfully?
So, in other words, if I if if I can't
carry the the um
the treasure and the container in one
trip,
what's your advice?
So, if you've figured out exactly where
the treasure is at,
you will have sufficient
time to plan how you wish to retrieve
it.
Would I be able to bring a llama?
I have a friend in Dylan who has a llama
and she said or an alpaca. Well,
whatever. Some kind of a pack animal.
That's a big difference.
Is that Oh my god. Is that a clue then?
It depends on He just said it depends if
it's an alpaca, a llama, or a mule.
I I think actually any of those animals
would be able to help you out.
[Music]
Okay, next one. Why will you not tell us
what the treasure container is?
You know, I I've been hesitant to
mention what the container is. uh mainly
because of artificial intelligence
and also
to prevent people from creating
decoys or uh for someone to claim that
they have found it and to recreate what
the container looks like in order to
make a farce and upset people. As we all
know, that happens from time to time.
Unfortunately, I think there's a bad
apple in every bunch. It's not to say
that there's any in this room.
But uh uh it's also AI because I think
as time progresses, artificial
intelligence will soon be in a position
where
it will be a formidable force when it
comes to things like treasure hunts. And
so I think actually it's a bigger topic.
Um it's kind of a strange thing to think
about. You know, AI AI is on the
precipice of encapsulating the entirety
of human knowledge.
And it's not just a function of having
the knowledge, it's acting on that
knowledge in an intelligent manner.
And so very soon AI will be smarter than
all of us in this room combined.
And it's a bit of a paradox.
How do you create
a puzzle for an intellect that dwarfs
your own?
It's like a mouse trying to create a
puzzle for a human. It sounds pretty
silly and that's really where we stand
with artificial intelligence. And so a
big portion of the time that I spent
designing this treasure hunt was to make
it accessible and understandable and
approachable by humans but not by AI.
And that's a really hard thing to do
actually because
[Applause]
[Music]
Soon we'll be in a position where I
think that those those two will start to
blend together in a way that is kind of
scary.
And if you take that one step further
and you were to have AI built into say a
robot, that gets very scary. You could
actually have a legion of robots that go
out and say find the treasure. Uh, I
know it sounds crazy, but I do genuinely
believe that we're not far off from
that. And that's really something that I
did not want to happen.
And time will tell whether or not that
actually works out to our advantage.
But, uh, uh, we'll we'll see how it
goes.
[Applause]
[Music]
This is this is a good one. Do you think
that once someone is successful in
reaching the checkpoint that they will
be the ultimate finder?
Do you think that once someone is
successful in reaching the checkpoint
that they will be the ultimate finder?
So, I know there's some probably some
folks in this room who have no idea what
this checkpoint business is. Uh, there's
a lot of kind of context that have built
up to this. I've had a number of
interviews over the past where I had
mentioned that a portion of this
treasure hunt involves for what I call,
a lack of a better term, a checkpoint.
And it's a way for you to know that
you're trending in the right direction.
um kind of consider it like something
that you may find along the way that you
realize unequivocally without a doubt, I
know that I'm correct.
I I did this on purpose um partially to
combat some of the AI concerns.
And so I think it is fair to say whoever
finds the checkpoint has an excellent
chance of finding the treasure as well.
Good one.
Okay.
Were there any clues or lines in your
poem that changed significantly from the
first draft to the final version?
So, I mentioned this before, but for
those that are not aware, I wrote the
bulk of that poem in a number of hours.
It was like I don't know probably 6
hours or less. Um
and I think from the time that I origin
So two things. First off, I purposely
didn't finish the entire poem until the
day the book went to print. And hello.
Oh, I did that on purpose because I
didn't want I wanted to make sure no one
had access to the poem beforehand. It
was really important to me that no one
had a big leg up over anybody else. So,
if you imagine there's editors involved,
uh there's uh uh the printing company,
uh illustrators, all sorts of people.
And it is true that they had access to
subsets of the book ahead of time, but
no one had access to the poem until the
very end because I never finished it
until the last hour.
And
despite that last bit that I filled in
at the end, to my recollection, nothing
significantly changed from the very
first draft that I wrote. So it was I
think I only tweaked maybe two words
tops. So it was pretty pretty static.
Very good. Thank you. Okay.
Are you planning on ruling out a search
state?
Like
like Montana,
you better get ready for the bear spray.
Um,
you know,
I think Oh boy.
Just all you have to do is I mess with
you.
You know,
there have been a lot of people asking
for extra hints and clues, and I totally
get it. Um, what's a little bit
different right now compared to Forest
Fence Treasure Hunt is that we're what,
March, April, May, we're like 3 months
in. I think Forest, you know, for the
first what couple of years at least, uh,
didn't really give much of anything as I
recall.
And so, I think we're still really
early. Um, I'm hesitant to narrow down
the search area significantly, uh, to
give everybody a chance because I feel
like there are some people that are just
starting out on this and I know that
especially during the summer months,
people are planning their travel and I
guess it's kind of it's kind of crappy
either way now that I think about it. So
I spent a lot of time searching in Idaho
for forest fence treasure for instance
and then he went and cut the state and
it's like wow there were a lot of people
that were really upset. It's like I
spent all this time searching in Idaho
and then he just cuts it like to me it
was great like thank you. I mean I
enjoyed the the treasure hunting there
in the state but great I have less
search area now. Uh, so I don't want
people to be upset, but I think
eventually if it has not been found, I
will start eliminating states. I really,
this, you know, this treasure hunt is
not meant to last a millennia or
anything like that. Um, I want it to
continue to progress. And so I think if
there isn't any real kind of tangible
progress over the coming months, I'll
I'll certainly consider that. But I'm
sorry to disappoint tonight. I'm not
gonna eliminate any state, but uh I'll
consider it in the future.
[Applause]
So since he just said the words forest
fin
living, did you make a blaze on a tree?
I I will answer that. Yes, actually I
will answer that.
No,
just no.
The problem the problem. Okay, I'm going
to rant just a little bit. Sorry. Go
ahead. Um, that was I wouldn't say
problem, but that was one of the Yeah,
it was a problem. You know, that was one
of the problems with the forest ven
treasure hunt, I felt, is that the blaze
or the marker at the end was something
that could not stand the test of time.
There were a lot of things that could
have caused the blaze to go away. It
could have been a forest fire. It could
have been a strong wind that had blown
blown the tree down. Um, you know, an
earthquake. A lot of different things I
think that could cause damage like that.
And it was important to me that it's
designed in a way where it can stand the
test of time. So, I don't have any
clues. I didn't put, you know, anything
out in the woods or the wilderness that
um
that would be subject to destruction by
natural forces. Now, I can't control
everything. Uh I suppose under a very
specific set of circumstances, damage
could occur. Uh but I would I would know
if it did. And that's not fair to
anybody to be out searching for
something that cannot be found. Um so if
something like that were to happen in,
you know, astronomically low chance, uh
I think it's only fair to everybody that
I would just tell you it it got damaged.
Sorry. But I I don't anticipate anything
like that happening. So yeah. Awesome.
Thanks. Thanks for answering that.
Okay. Th this is sort of long and
complicated. Can you verify 100% the
treasure container and its contents are
not a proxy item. The treasure container
and gold treasure etc. is actually
located at the final resting spot.
Good question.
So, there have been a number of people
that have asked me, "Oh, maybe you put,
you know, something out in the
wilderness and it's like a key to a
safety deposit box and then you go there
and get the treasure." That's really not
what I was going for here. I wanted like
that shock and awe, right? You get
there, you find the treasure, and it's
real physical in the wilderness. And as
I mentioned before, it's filled to the
gills with stuff with treasure. I I
could not put anything else in there. It
just wouldn't fit. Uh but it is out
there. It's not, you know, in some bank
somewhere or something like that. It's
it's out there hidden to be found. Thank
you.
Okay. Now, now we're to the questions
that I haven't pre-eread, so hopefully I
can read the writing. Okay. Number one,
what is the title of the book that Uncle
Hyram gave you?
Yeah. So, for those unaware, uh I think
it's in the the story the concistador
conquest. I talk about my uncle Hyram
who's sitting in the back right there.
[Laughter]
[Applause]
He gave me a a book on Spanish clues and
markers, and I was pretty enthralled
with it at the time. Of course, it led
to Sunburn, but I don't blame him. Uh, I
can visualize the book, but I don't
recall the title. And if someone can
track it down, I love it. It's it has a
thick black border and then inside it
has a a white inset area that has a
bunch of Spanish symbols inside of it.
And it has a pretty uh overt title,
something like treasure symbols of the
Southwest or something like that. Uh
sorry,
treasure.
There's treasure inside. No.
Uh, I don't recall the name, but if
someone happens upon the book, I'd be
happy to announce it on, you know, my
website or something. It's not a big
secret or anything like that.
Early Spanish signs and symbols. That
sounds right. Uh, if I actually saw the
cover, I'd be sure, but that sounds
right. Yeah. It wasn't a very thick
book. It was probably about pretty thin.
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's right. It
had some hand drawings in it. Yeah, you
got it. That's the one.
What she said.
Okay, this is awesome because this is
actually the question I put in at the
bookstore. So, I I can give a little bit
of background. So the question is, are
you willing to talk about any of your
crazy adventures that are not in Beyond
the Maps Edge, like stepping on a sea
urchin in Mexico? And the reason I'm
asking that is I've had people actually
ask me saying, you know, Justin well, do
you think he has elaborated and made up
some of the stories? And I said, hell
no. This if something bad could happen,
it has happened to him.
Okay. So, I love the I love the sea
urchin story. The sea urchin. Oh, jeez.
Maybe some of the other ones were on the
list. Whatever. Yeah. Uh, so when I
first started thinking about this book,
it was basically just a bunch of chicken
scratch. It was terrible. Um, and I had
way more chapters than anybody would
ever care to read. And I didn't want it
to be like a math textbook, you know,
and be so daunting. And so I started
just having to cut stories. So there are
a number of stories that I did not
include.
Um the one that she mentioned actually I
never wrote about but the the the
reader's digest version would be uh I
was in Puerto Varta. I was probably 13
years old and I was battling the waves
out there with my brother and I stepped
on something. I didn't have my glasses
on and so it was all fuzzy. Uh, and I
pulled this thing out of my foot and I
got really dizzy and it was super
painful and I passed out. Uh, and I woke
up in a Mexican hospital and I spent
three days there. It was pretty
terrible. I don't recommend it. Um, I
think it was some kind of sea urchin. U,
but I don't really know the details on
it. So, uh, but yeah, I mean I have
other stories. I mean, I can probably
just post them on my website or
something. Um, I'll figure out what to
do with them. They're they're not
terribly interesting. So, yes, they are.
Yes, they are. Yeah, they are.
Okay. This is a multi-question about one
subject. What was your first computer?
What computer did you la last buy as a
kid? Were you a PC or a Mac guy? Are you
an Android user or iOS?
Do you want to see all of these? That's
a
That's a lot of questions. Uh uh. Wow.
Uh first computer that was
it was an Apple 2e.
Yes, I'm old.
Uh what computer did you last buy? Uh I
think it was a MacBook Pro. Uh mostly
for for work more than anything. Not
very exciting. Uh as a kid, were you a
PC or Mac guy? Uh despite my first
computer being an Apple 2e, I was more
of a PC guy uh for a number of years. I
think probably until I left Microsoft in
20 2012, I think it was. And uh yeah, I
actually don't don't throw things at me,
but these days I I normally use an iOS
device, not Android.
How far back has your family genealogy
been traced?
You know, somebody actually emailed me
with a a family tree, I think, on
ancestry.com that they had put together.
It was actually really interesting. Uh
I've been meaning to merge that in with
the one that I have. I think on my
father's side, I I'm able to trace it
back quite a bit more than my mother's
side. um mostly French and German and
English. So, uh certainly, you know,
pre-mayflower days. Um I don't recall
the exact dates, though.
Are you going to do holidays? See what
we can do. Okay, good. Okay, I like this
one. What is your best advice to
approaching a solved poem, book? I don't
know that word. What's the strategy in
the best process?
Wait, good question.
Poem, book, show,
best process or strategy.
So, I think most people that have heard
about this uh had no idea about this
forest fen thing. Um, so I think like
the show is just a good primer for that
to kind of understand a little bit of
the backstory. There are definitely
hints
in the series that I I uh snuck in. Um,
but you know, the the the bulk of the
important stuff I would say is in is in
the book and the poem. So I guess the
the process I would suggest is you watch
the series, try not to fall asleep.
uh you even more challenging try and
read that book um and then read the poem
a few times and then go back through it
again uh the show really slowly and and
think about each scene.
Uh and actually this is kind of funny to
my uncertain knowledge. There are two
hints in the Netflix series that I I I
laugh every time they come up because
they're to me like they're just super
super obvious. Uh and no one has noticed
and I'm just kind of blown away at this
point and I I feel like it's a joke or
something that nobody's telling me. But
there are are two scenes in particular
where I just I don't understand what's
happening because it's super obvious.
It's like I almost just want to say it
like No. No.
Okay. Wait, wait a second. Okay. Okay.
The The next question, and I'm not I
This is Siri. The next question.
What would you be willing to share this
evening that is a clue that would shake
the Frontier Center and Posie Treasure
Hunting Community?
Oh boy.
[Applause]
I'm I'm having an internal debate. Just
give me a little.
[Music]
[Applause]
Okay. How do I phrase this?
It's funny. I don't recall which
episode. It's either two or three. Um,
it is a scene
that does not have me in it.
Um,
but it was a scene that I had some
control over.
I think if you rewatch it, it'll be
pretty obvious. I hope. Yeah.
Thank you.
I was worried I was going to have to get
the bear spray, but I didn't.
This is from Sterling. What is your
favorite color and food?
Color and food. Not shrimp. Not shrimp.
Uh, yeah. Well, I I pretty much always
wear blue, so blue is my favorite color.
Kind of a navy blue. Uh food.
Chicken breast.
Wait, who said that?
That's a dicey dicey answer. Uh
that's awesome. It's going to sound
strange. Uh I actually really like okra.
I mean I know, right? It was slimy. Uh,
fried okra is pretty awesome.
What app or system do you recommend to
see established property lines to make
sure we stay on public land?
So, for those that don't know, uh, the
treasure is publicly accessible. You
don't have to go gallally vanting on
somebody's private property. Please,
please, please don't do that.
Uh, I'm sure especially people that live
in this area would very much appreciate
it and everybody else throughout the
entire search range. Let's just uh keep
it safe and fair. Um, and legal. Um, so
there are a few apps out there. Um, you
know, I I think they're available both
on Android and iOS. One of them is I
think the most approachable one is
called OnX. That's ONX. They have like a
backpacking version, I think, and they
have a hunting one. any of those will
do. And what you can do is if there's a
search area you're interested in, you
can kind of zoom in on that area and
it'll show you all the surrounding
property rights so you don't have to
guess. And if it's not publicly
accessible and just cross it off right
away. And then uh if you're a more
advanced user, uh what I had used for
many years is an app called Gaia. That's
G A I A. It's a little more advanced
because there's a ton of different
layers that you can add to it and it's
uh uh yeah, I'm not for the faint of
heart, but OnX does great. Oh, I see a
hand raised.
Will I specify if it's on federal or
state land? Uh, no. Uh
but it's it's it's publicly accessible
as of today.
saying that we can use the water.
[Music]
Oh, we have a loophole virtuoso in the
room.
So, I hope I don't screw up the law
here. uh don't take legal advice from
me, but it is my understanding that in
many places in Montana, if you are on a
waterway that is considered navigable,
in other words, uh one where you can
float a a watercraft,
you can actually float through private
property because the owner uh well,
rather the person is allowed to access
the area up to the high water mark as I
recall. Don't quote me on that. You
might want to look it up. Uh, but it is
fair to say if it's publicly accessible,
it's fair game.
Okay.
Did you design and make the cover art?
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. So,
the cover art on the book, um,
I actually did design that first and I
gave it to
a cover designer who iterated on it and
kind of cleaned it up to make it
presentable and I think he did a
fantastic job. So, yeah, it's fair to
say that the original image was created
by me and then he continued to evolve
it. I see a hand up. Yes. The double
arcs something that exists or that
is the double arcs. Wow. Uh something
that exists or had to be created?
That's a tricky question
actually.
I want to answer this. Um it's actually
a really strange question knowing what I
know.
Um
ask the question one more time.
Is a double arc something that exists or
were created?
Let me think about this.
I don't want to I don't want to give
away too much on this, so I'm going to
have to punt. I apologize.
[Applause]
That's okay. No, that's okay. No bear
spray. That's okay.
Now that the Netflix show came out, how
many clues are in the show?
How many clues are in the show? I don't
think I've actually, funny enough, I
don't think I've ever counted. Um, and
some of them
are kind of compounds. You have to look
at a number of of scenes in order to
understand something singular.
So with that in mind, the number of of
singular clues, let me just uh count
them up in my mind. One second.
Um see one, two, three.
There are at least
five singular clues at least. I think
probably more if if I really thought
about it. Yeah, at least five. That's
good. Thank you. That's that's that's a
good answer.
Next. This cipher is tough. Can you give
us a hint?
Uh, the cipher is actually really meant
to be approachable. It's not you don't
need an advanced math degree or
anything. Actually, you don't need a
math degree at all to to uh solve this
thing. I mean, if you can add two
numbers together, if you can do basic
say multiplication, whatever it you
you're fine. So, um
which two numbers?
Which two numbers?
You pick. Um I want to make sure I get
this right. What was the question? Oh,
the cipher. The cipher. Um,
the cipher
the cipher is not in
the poem. It is elsewhere. We'll say
that. Okay. Well, that's that's not too
good. That's part of that's a good
answer. And I I should also clarify the
cipher is was just I couldn't help
myself. Uh, it's not a critical hint.
You don't need to solve the cipher to
find the treasure.
Uh, more than anything.
All right. Uh, more than anything, the
the cipher is more of a nod or a hint to
what the container is.
[Music]
That's good.
That's good.
Okay. The question is, is it walking
distance from water silent flight to
round the bend past the hole?
A little complicated. Yeah. Uh just to
reread this. Um is it walking distance
from water's silent flight to round the
bend past the hole? Boy,
I'm not sure if I want to answer this.
Let me think about this a moment.
The difference for a 71year-old person
and a 10year-old,
that would be me with 71.
Um,
yes.
Yeah, I think that's fair. Yep. That's
awesome. Good one.
That that that helps. That's good. On a
scale of one to Forest Finn, how would
you rate the difficulty of your hunt?
You know that difficulty is such a
subjective thing. I I think for
something that is very approachable to
one person can be next to impossible for
another. And that and that's actually uh
where a lot of my time or my thinking
process was spent. I designed this in a
way where it can be solved in different
ways, but you'll all get there at the
end of the day. So it's not um
uh how do I phrase this? Um, there are
there are multiple ways to solve this
treasure hunt and some are arguably more
challenging than others. And I think
there's probably what I call an optimal
solution and then there's there are a
few ways that I actually basically put
in safeguards in case someone might not
quite understand
one clue, they could still limp along
and figure it out. If that makes sense.
Um, so the question I want to make sure
I get this right. Uh, so on a scale of
one to forest fen, how would you rate
the difficulty? So I don't know how you
all felt when you saw forest fen
solution or the purported solution. Uh,
how did you feel about that? Did you
think it was really hard or too easy?
Uh, and I think that's different for
different people. Um, some people might
have said that's the most ridiculous
solution I've ever heard of. uh may may
or may not have been hard, but they just
didn't like it. And that's the issue is
I know when the solution is revealed,
there will be people in this room that
will say, "That's the dumbest thing I
ever heard of." I know it. Uh and there
will be other people that will I I think
be maybe delighted by it. I hope. Uh so
there's no pleasing everybody. I I did
the best that I could, I think, given
the time and resources that I had, which
is actually another thing I should
mention. Um, I actually thought that I
had more time. So, I really thought that
the series was going to come out later
in the year. And when I got the call
saying, "Hey, it's coming out in like a
month or a month and a half." I was kind
of like, "I got to get moving." I mean,
of course, I had already hidden the
treasure. Uh, but I actually wanted more
time to kind of hammer on the book. Uh,
I called my editor and said, "Hey, guess
what? I've got a bunch of chicken
scratch. You got one week to edit this.
Good luck." Uh, so it was just a total
scramble. Uh, I don't know if anybody's
familiar with the publishing process,
but it's pretty intense. So, uh, I don't
think that answers the question really,
but on a scale of one to forest fen
somewhere in the middle. How's that?
That works. That's good.
How big was the biggest fish you have
caught?
Well, I I think my dad has already added
10 pounds to it. So, uh I'll only add
one more pound. No, I it was in New
Mexico at Heron Lake and actually it was
kind of cool day cuz I it's the fishing
that I hated which is trolling and you
got a lot of line out. It's a lead line
and it's colorcoded to show how deep in
the water you are and got a ton of line
out and you know the rod just just
almost cracks in half and well we're
hung up on a stump you know and so uh I
just remember reeling on this thing
trying to reel in the stump and at some
point I realized oh my gosh it's moving
it's it's a it's a fish and it actually
at the time ended up being the second
largest uh trout in the state of New
Mexico and it was actually in the local
newspapers and stuff. It was pretty
exciting at the time because I was
really young. Uh, and uh, I guess for
legal reasons or as my dad put it, for
legal reasons. Uh, it was listed in the
paper that he caught it, which was kind
of funny.
Uh, and of course uh, you know, he
wanted to have this fish mounted. Um,
and it was uh, the the taxiderermis kept
the fish over the winter and we got it
in the spring. And when it came to the
house, my dad looked at it and he says,
"You know that that fish must have
shrunk in being in the freezer all
winter. It was definitely way bigger
than this, you know." So, I still have
the fish actually. It's it's at my
house. But, uh, yeah, that was the
biggest. I don't recall how big it is,
but I'm sure somebody could track down
the newspaper article and see. So, yeah.
Justin, did you really break your leg?
Yeah. So, for those that have not read
the book, I mentioned that I had broke
my tibia and I had to hide a treasure
after doing that. Yes, I did break it.
Uh, it was not a fun situation. I was on
the mend at the time. I really actually
didn't want to go around kind of like a
peg leg guy hiding a treasure, but I was
out of time. That was basically I spent
as much time as I could recovering and
then uh for a number of reasons I had to
just go and do this and so I had to do
it with a busted leg. It was not super
fun. Yeah.
How do you tie your fly hook to your
line?
Well, everybody loves a good clinch
knot. Uh, I I think there's probably
some argument as to whether or not the
enhanced clinch knot is a better knot
than the original, but I generally
prefer the classic clinch knot.
The treasure is on public land. The sale
of BLM land have an effect on the hidden
treasure. So, I guess he he's saying,
would the sale of BLM land have an
effect on the hidden treasure?
So avoiding the
political implications of this as much
as I can, um I think it is fair to say
that there is a lot of public land right
now that is at risk. And it is uh at
risk of being sold to private
individuals and to companies.
And this is a big reason why I hid the
treasure is I wanted people to be aware
and I wanted uh excuse me I wanted I
wanted people to appreciate the lands
that we have. And so I felt if I could
get people outdoors and to experience it
that they would be better stewards and
that they would uh be champions of the
lands that mean so much to I hope
everybody here
So the question is uh will this have an
effect on the treasure and I think the
honest answer is I don't know. Uh things
can change and so I'll I'll definitely
keep people updated. If there's a
situation where, you know, the treasure
is basically inaccessible at some point,
I will do my very best to let you know
if I'm still around, which I certainly
hope. I don't want the treasure hunt to
last that long. So, uh um at this point,
and this is actually why I mention I
think in the legal language you on the
website and in the book, I know that's a
lot of boring stuff. Um, but this is why
I mention as of this date it is publicly
accessible. Uh, because I don't know
what tomorrow brings and I really hope
that our public lands remain public.
And, uh, I hope everybody in this room
appreciates it as much as I do.
[Applause]
Justin, does the book mention the
checkpoint? Does the poem mention the
checkpoint?
So, the poem is in the book. And so, I
think it's fair to say
I'm not trying to mince words. Um,
the the poem does in effect mention the
checkpoint because that is a stage of of
your journey. So, it is fair to say that
uh the checkpoint is part of the poem.
Yeah.
You guys don't feel like you have to
stick around if you're falling asleep.
You can just leave.
It really does.
Could you talk about your five-year job
experience during college and after what
was your major in college? Yeah.
So, first off, I I never graduated. Um,
I studied computer science. I left
college when I was a junior
uh for an internship that turned into a
full-time position down in Tucson,
Arizona. And then from there, um, yeah,
I think I mentioned this in the book. It
was my tour to fails. I had a lot of
disastrous interviews. I was really
terrible. I'm I'm uh public speaking is
a struggle for me, so I apologize. Um,
so yeah, I ended up at at Microsoft and
I worked there for a number of years uh
on a lot of different things and I
worked at the Walt Disney Company for
the better part of a decade. I think I
worked in pretty much every division
they had anywhere from consumer products
to their international division to, you
know, uh, Disney streaming service, uh,
uh, Imagineering, uh, a little bit of
everything. It was a ton of fun. Uh,
I've worked at uh Visa in collaboration
with Apple and the Apple Apple Pay
system you use on your phone. Uh, golly,
what else? Um,
a lot of startups over the years too.
Uh, it was kind of a blur. It was a lot
of companies. Um, but always new
challenges. Uh, so yeah, I did I studied
computer science but I I uh left my
junior year.
Okay, this is a series of of two things
or people and I guess you're to pick
which you prefer. Bob Dylan or Joanie
Mitchell.
Do you know who they are?
Uh, you laugh, but I'm afraid to answer
that question honestly. Uh,
I'll say Bob Dylan because I'm much more
aware who that is.
Beatles or Rolling Stones? Oh man.
Oh boy. I feel like I'm going to get
lynched either way here. Uh, you can't
go. I'll say the Beatles. Okay.
Is that Unix or Linux? Yeah, Unix or
Linux. Huh? Unix or Linux? Geez. I mean,
I I think these days there are some
really good flavors or distributions of
Linux. So, I think for most people,
Linux is probably much more approachable
than a more raw Unix system. Yeah. Okay.
Bill Gates or Steve Jobs?
This is going to get you in trouble.
Oh my goodness.
You know, for better or for worse, uh
Steve Jobs was a visionary. Uh I think
he had a profound understanding of not
only
technology but timing and timing in the
market is just as important if not more
important than the technology itself.
There are many cases in history where
somebody's designed something incredible
but it was too early and people weren't
ready to accept it yet. And so uh Steve
Jobs understood the whole marketing
strategy. Uh, and I feel like, oh boy,
it's probably gonna get me in trouble. I
feel like Apple has lost a little bit
about uh little of that since since
Steve has left. And uh it's been a kind
of a slow but steady decline. Uh Bill
Gates on the other hand uh I mean the
guy was a brilliant businessman. Uh I
have a lot of respect for him. I
actually funny story. Uh I used to work
at building 50 at Microsoft and I was
always in a hurry. I don't really know
why, but I was always running around
trying to solve the next thing. And I
ran I ran around a hallway and I knocked
him over. Uh, super embarrassing. Um,
and I think as I recall, he mentioned it
like a conference the next day about
some engineer running him over. I was
sure I was going to get fired.
Uh, but I had a tremendous amount of
respect for him, too. So, it's not that
I'm choosing one or the other. I just
think they had different strengths.
Yeah.
So, I have a question that's actually
not on the card, but now we're talking
about Microsoft and and we know that
Justin has gotten patents while he
worked at Microsoft.
Would you be willing to talk about any
of your patents? Oh, at at Microsoft and
we saw them. So, we saw them on the
shelf in the Netflix series. So, Oh,
yeah. This is probably pretty boring
stuff. Sorry. Uh no, I mean uh it's
technology stuff. Uh so there's so uh
for instance um ah like on your iPhone
if you were to you have an app there and
you tap on it and generally it acts asks
for credentials you know a username and
password to log in. Uh uh that was one
of my patents from many years ago. um
the concept of of bringing a website
closer to uh your device and having a
more enhanced experience. Uh and it was
very contextual. So for instance uh
let's say Bank of America uh you have a
BFA app now instead of going to bank of
america.com on your phone. Some people
still do but the app is generally
better. Uh but the underpinnings for how
all of that fits together are uh some of
the patents. Yeah.
I'm pretty sure I know the answer here.
Star Trek or Star Wars?
These are very divisive questions.
Uh,
you know, I'm I guess I'm not a very
good nerd. This is funny.
So,
I had never seen either for the longest
time. And I recall when I was in
elementary school, uh, kids would
roleplay uh, from Star Wars and I had no
idea who any of the characters were. And
so I was always, uh, R2-D2,
so I just kind of walk around going beep
beep boop, you know, it was the safe
role for me at the time. Uh, but years
later when I actually watched them, I
think in middle school or junior high as
as it were at the time, uh, I think I'd
prefer Star Wars.
the original ones to be clear. Don't
Yeah.
Okay. I'm living again. In case you
haven't already figured it out, Justin
is a genius. And Justin, would you be
willing to talk about the how you
created the Star Wars in Disney World?
you know, the time that I spent in
Imagineering was really cool and there
were a a lot of projects that were
worked on at that time. Um,
in fact, I think probably still to this
day there's some NDAs in place. So, I
kind of have to be careful about what I
what I mention. But um uh one of the
things that I created was uh what they
called media vault which was all of
Imagineering had a lot of ideas flowing
in and there were a lot of different
ways for these ideas to be captured and
they needed a a very secure system
because if if these ideas like Star Wars
Land for instance were to leak out then
it would be a big deal. It would be a
big problem for the company and so uh
there's a lot of kind of security that
went around creating that that system.
uh but you know work in the in the parks
itself and uh you know across the across
the the the two major parks in the in
the US was was really interesting but I
can't really expand too much on a lot of
that yet. Okay. Thanks.
From where you leave your car to search,
is it a mile or less to the treasure
container?
Uh, this is a really strange question to
me. Um, from where you leave your car to
search, is it a mile or less to the
treasure chest? Uh, you said chest. Uh,
it's not a chest. Uh, I should be clear.
It looks like it says chest. It's not a
chest. It is a container, though. Um,
I don't think this question works
because
um, by the time you're going
to get the treasure, you're not
searching, you're retrieving.
Wow, that's a good one. That is good.
Awesome.
You want him to say You want him to say
it again? Okay.
Uh,
by the time you're going to get the
treasure, um, you're not searching,
you're retrieving.
That's good. What is your most
proficient programming language?
Uh, so for those who don't know, I was I
still am a programmer, software
engineer, or whatever you'd like to call
it, uh, for many years. Um I guess
probably most proficient language these
days would be
uh C++ or or Java.
I think he already answered this. Has
anyone reached the checkpoint? You
already you answered that. This one's
really super long. We'll save this till
the end.
Is there is there a range of elevation
where the treasure is and and I will
expound. So forest fen basically said
it's what between 5,000 and um whatever
10,200 ft.
Yeah. The American West has a very
diverse range of elevations. Um
pretty basic. Yeah, it's pretty basic.
Uh I mean I can I can put an upper bound
on it. Uh it's certainly below
11,000 ft.
[Applause]
How far is it from the first clue to the
last one in miles?
I think that's what it is. How far is it
from the first clue to the last one in
miles?
Um,
this actually
is not possible to answer.
Uh, and I'm not being koi. Um,
based on how the clues are structured, I
think it's the wrong question to ask.
It's the right question.
Is it hard to answer what now?
question.
Is it hard to answer these questions
because you have to iterate through the
poem more than one time? Um,
no. That's not why it's hard to answer.
No,
I think I think you answered that one
before. Okay. Are the clues in your poem
in consecutive order from top to bottom?
from the first clue to the treasure.
Yeah, I think for those who are aware, I
think I answered this at some point.
It's It's fair to say they're in
consecutive order. Yeah, this one that
is specific starting at the top of the
poem to the starting at the top to the
bottom. Yeah, that's fine. Yep, it's
consecutive. Yeah,
here's a Forest Fen question. Is there a
200 or 500 foot searcher?
So, for those that are unaware, uh,
Forest Fen had announced at some point
that someone was within a certain number
of feet of the treasure, and I think he
said, uh, either 200 or 500 feet,
depending on what stage of the treasure
hunt. Uh, it's probably a little little
early in the treasure hunt for me to
say, uh, how close people have been. Uh,
but there have been people
I'll say that there have been less than
uh I'm trying to recall some of the
emails I got.
There have been people that have been
less than
two miles and
certainly
even less than that. Yeah.
Okay.
Was it me
[Applause]
No comment.
This is a good one. Did you consider
railroad tracks a structure? Is the
entire hunt based on naturally occurring
structures and landscapes?
That's a hard-hitting question.
Uh, do I consider railroad tracks a
structure?
I consider them to be a man-made
structure. Yes, they were made by man.
Uh, they're not a building. They are a
structure. Is the entire hunt based on
naturally occurring structures and
landscapes?
So, I think I mentioned earlier that
there are a couple of different ways to
work through the poem. uh and I tried to
do that to be uh to accommodate how
different people think. And so depending
on how you interpret it, I think it it
could be true to say that yes, the
entire hunt could be based on naturally
occurring structures and landscapes. Uh
but I think some people could quibble.
Um, so I should clarify that by saying
there's one clue in here where arguably
someone could say there is a man-made
implication to it. Yeah.
Man, that's long.
Okay, this is good.
Is the port is the part of the river
where your mom's fishing photo is
accessible to public other than walking
up or downstream?
Yeah. So, there's a picture in the book
of my mother on the beaverhead. Uh she
is waiting
and that picture predates me. Um,
so I can't say with certainty, but my
guess just kind of knowing the landscape
is that it is likely not publicly
accessible on either side. You would
have to wade to it.
This is a multi-art one. Can you give a
floor the treasure is not below
[Music]
a floor? Uh, so I think this is an
elevation related question. Can you give
a floor the treasure is not below? Uh, I
think I not going to answer any other
elevation related questions, but uh,
it's below 11,000. Uh, uh, still contend
that no red herrings intentional or
otherwise. So
I did not put any intentional red
herrings in the book or the poem or
anything like that.
uh you know it's fair to say that like
the poem itself is is obfuscation right
it's a way to hide information otherwise
somebody would have already found the
treasure uh but in terms of red herrings
uh there's nothing intentional now there
might be some unintentional ones for
instance I'm you know I talk about I
don't know a you know say a green table
and somebody thinks oh it has to do with
the color green I didn't actually mean
for that I just mentioned the table's
green uh So, I cannot control uh how
other people interpret it, but to the
best of my abilities, no. Like, I didn't
put in any intentional red herrings into
the book or the poem or anything like
that. And then the last one was, will
you announce if the checkpoint is
reached?
Um
h
if I'm aware,
yes, I would announce that. Yeah.
[Applause]
Do you like pickles?
Do I like pickles?
Yeah. Uh, yes. I like dill pickles
especially.
I have a funny story about pickles, but
we'll save that for another time.
Why not wait for your leg to heal?
Yeah. Um, I think I talked a little bit
about that earlier. There was a number
of circumstances where I had to just get
things done and
uh it was really a function of time. I
just couldn't couldn't wait any longer
because there was a whole series of
events that were set in motion and
basically a schedule to keep so to speak
and so I had to act and it wasn't
optimal but uh just had to make it
happen.
I think you did this one. The cipher has
this old brain stump. any hints?
So, you Oh, yeah. I think I I mentioned
earlier uh the cipher is not in the
poem. Um so, I hope that helps. We'll
see how things go. We'll get a little
more time and uh maybe somebody will
figure it out. Yeah.
How do you feel AI changed the hunt?
Yeah, I know I mentioned that earlier.
Um, that was actually the biggest risk
that I saw to this trader hunt was
somebody whipping out chat GPT or
whatever the latest large language model
artificial intelligence offering is on
the market and just say punch it in and
oh here's the answer. Uh there are some
you know you'll notice I think in the
beginning of the book I do not give I
think permission for people to use uh
run the book through AI but I realized I
just cannot prevent that and so I did
everything in my power to ensure that AI
will not be the winner. Uh but it's
really hard to control. Like I mentioned
AI is getting very very smart and it
will soon be smarter than all of us if
it isn't already. So, uh, I did the best
that I could and I feel like as it
stands right now, uh, we're fending it
off. So, we'll we'll see how the future
holds.
This is sort of long. There was a small
D, like the letter D is in dog, hidden
just above the M in maps on the spine of
the book. Why was it removed in the new
print? Is it relevant or a clue to
something in this hunt?
Yeah. So, we're talking about some of
the formatting differences that showed
up between the first and and second
editions of the book. So, for those that
are unaware, if you look at your book,
you'll see on the cover uh it either has
like a little sticker on it, sort of
looks like a sticker, uh and some don't.
So, the first printing is the ones that
do not have the sticker. Both books are
fine. uh consider the one without the
sticker to be kind of a collector's
edition or something. Um uh but between
those two prints, I actually ended up
having to make some very small
formatting changes because the cover
designer noticed that the the spacing
wasn't exactly right and it was bugging
him more than it was bugging me. And so
he made some slight changes. There's
there's no intentional clues there uh in
differences in the cover between the
first and second edition. Yeah.
at all. Is there any clue in the cover
art at all? Uh I have not specified.
So that means yes.
I know. I know we have more questions,
but um I just actually wanted to follow
up on this hidden mark that I put in
this book that probably one of you have.
Um so before we get into that, uh I want
to mention what I'm shipping to whoever
wins. So, for anybody who's seen the
Netflix series, uh, the treasure I
stored in a Saddleback leather
briefcase.
Um, and I still have that original
briefcase that held the treasure and I'd
like to give it to whoever wins. Uh, so
I'm happy to ship that out. Uh
so if you will uh if you have a book
that you've purchased over the last few
days that has my signature on it uh turn
to page
150
and about halfway down the page oh I
heard a bingo. Oh I thought we had one.
See this is why I don't say what the
container is. No kidding.
uh page 150 about halfway down in black
ink that's sort of bled. I apologize. I
have written uh an email address and
it's a a customized email address that
goes straight to me. So if you're shy
and you don't want to say you won right
here. Uh that's fine. You can just email
me. Otherwise, if anybody has it here in
this room, feel free to stand up.
Wow. I actually thought somebody would
be here or the person would be here.
Okay. Well, uh, please spread the word.
It's on page 150. Um, unfortunately, the
email address kind of got a little
smudged with the ink. So, it's at
icloud.com, not lcloud,
uh, in case you're confused. Uh, so just
send me an email at that address, and
I'm happy to ship out the, uh, the
Saddleback uh, container to you.
[Applause]
I would really like to have that. Is
there any way I can manufacture it where
it would look real? Actually, there's
probably two other things that I'll
include just for fun. Uh, so people had
noticed that there were two coffee mugs
in one of the at least one of the
scenes. I'll ship you the coffee mugs as
well. So,
[Applause]
is the hiding spot meaningful for its
beauty? its symbolism or for sentimental
reasons.
Is the hiding spot
meaningful for its beauty, symbolism, or
sentimental reasons?
I would say all of the above.
Keeping that
Why are the ebook pictures in black and
white and why are they still in RGB
instead of grayscale?
Why is the coins picture in the ebook in
color?
I don't even know all. Yeah. So, I think
the question is why the heck is this
ebook in black and white? Why didn't you
just do it in color like the book? The
answer is because of compatibility. So
there are a lot of uh e-readers out
there that either do not support color
uh or they have uh severe constraints on
the size of the file and so I tried to
make it as as as small as possible.
That's basically it. And then
additionally I wanted at least one color
picture in there. So that's why I chose
the uh I think it's the coins in the
ebook that are all color. So if your
device supports color you'll see you'll
see that one in color.
These are a lot of questions. You guys
are going to fall asleep here. Maybe
just a few more. Maybe maybe we'll just
do a few more here. Yeah.
Oh, this is this is a good one. And it's
short.
If you were doing this treasure hunt,
how would you train Tucker to help you?
Ah.
As I mentioned, there are a few
different ways to approach this poem. I
mean, there is like a super brute force
way, but it would be very very
difficult. So, I mean, I suppose if you
had a dog that could sniff gold and
uh uh you were in a very specific area,
then that would be beneficial to you,
but that would be really, I think, uh
challenging to do uh overall. So, more
than anything, I think it's just uh uh
good outdoor manners, making sure that
the dog is a good steward, uh isn't
chasing after elk or worse, bears, you
know, and keeping your dog in control.
That's basically it. Oh, I see a hand
up.
Yeah. What measures did I take to ensure
that a random hiker or fisherman would
not happen upon it? Um, I touched on
this, I think, uh, a little bit in a
prior interview. I did not put it in
very close proximity to any man-made
trail. I I didn't want someone, you
know, trying to relieve themselves on
the side of the trail and, you know, pee
on it or something. So,
uh, so it is a little little a ways off.
Um, and then, um, yeah, I think that's
the only thing I want to say about that.
Yeah.
Okay, maybe a a couple of short ones
here. Can you drive a semi to the
location?
Can I drive a like a semi-truck? I think
so. Oh my goodness.
Can I draw Can you drive a semi to the
location? I assume he means a truck.
Yeah. Um
I I guess that means to the location of
the treasure itself. Uh, no, you you do
have to I'm sorry to say you have to
hike a little. Um, but not too far.
Sorry.
Can you drive the semi to the parking
space? Well, that's a loaded question.
That implies that there's a parking
space. Uh,
I I think that's all I'll say about
that. Yeah.
Will you continue giving clues
breadcrumbs during the hunt?
Will I continue to give clues? Uh, yeah,
at some point. I I feel like it's still
pretty early. Actually, I don't know if
it's early or not. Like, sometimes I'm
wondering like, wow, how how has this
not been found yet? Um, but yeah, I
think if it kind of drags on, I will I
will help out. Yeah.
I think this will be the the last
question here. And this this is what we
all have been dying to know. How much
did it hurt when you fell off your bike?
And do you still have your teeth?
Uh it was not fun. Um and no, my
actually most of my front teeth are not
real. Um they were all busted out during
the the bike accident. So it it hurt a
lot. How's that? Oh, we got a hand up.
Is it buried? Is the treasure buried? I
haven't specified if it is or not, but
as I mentioned before, um if you know
where to look, it wouldn't matter.
In the back,
is the bride live?
Well, that's kind of a uh the bride. I
will go so far as to say the bride is
not it's not a person that's alive right
now
is oh is what I'm referring to alive. Um
yeah I don't think I want to answer that
one. Sorry. Yeah. Uh yes.
Are the clues in the one treasure all in
one state? I um I haven't specified. And
I might I might consider
um being clearer on that in the future.
Yes.
Are there physical objects that you can
find along the way? Yeah. I think it's
fair to say there are. Yeah.
Yes.
Will I read the poem for you? Uh sure.
Yeah. Somebody have a candy? Oh, great.
Thank you.
Okay. Uh before I read this, I
appreciate everybody coming out. Thank
you guys for your your time and uh I
hope you're having fun with it and we'll
see how things go. If like I said, if
this thing hasn't been found here in,
you know, a couple of months or
something, I'll uh I'll try and throw
some more bones out there if necessary.
Uh
excuse me. Beyond the map's edge, can
you find what lives in time flowing
through each measured rhyme? Wisdom
waits in shadowed sight for those who
read these words just right. As hope
surges clear and bright, walk near
waters silent flight. Round the bend,
past the hole, I wait for you to cast
your pole. In Ursa East, his realm
awaits. His bride stands guard at
ancient gates. Her foot of three at
20°ree return her face to find the
place. Double arcs on granite bold where
secrets of the past still hold beyond
the reach of time's swift race. Wonder
guards this sacred space. Truth rests
not in clever minds, not in tangled
twisted fines. Like a river's steady
flow, what you seek you already know.
Anyway,
thank you. Thank you guys again for
attending. Appreciate it. Uh sorry for
the long lines and have a good night.
Thank you. Thank you. That was awesome.
You did great. Thank you. Thank you very
Thank you.
Okay, thank you everybody for coming
out. We want to thank Cynthia for her
amazing reach.